Here's a look into my fascinating personal life: There are groups of folks I talk with pretty regularly about things like reading, writing, and movies--and those groups often, but not always, overlap. My point is, the other day our little movie group was chatting about our favorite characters. The discussion soon moved to favorite heroes/heroines, favorite villains, favorite sidekicks, and so on.
Finally one lady said, "Let's simplify it. Which ones are the most memorable?"
I, of course, can't let something like that go to waste. After all, I have a duty to post a SleuthSayers column every first, third, and fifth Saturday, rain or shine, and I know a good subject when I hear one.
So, since movies are a type of fiction and this blog's supposed to be about fiction . . . that's the first of today's two questions: Who do you think are the most memorable movie characters?
Before you answer, here are my own top ten:
Note to my friend Elizabeth Zelvin, who will say "John, these are mostly 'guy movies.'": You're right, Liz--but not ALL of them are . . .
1. Augustus McCrea (Robert Duvall, Lonesome Dove)
2. Al Swearengen (Ian McShane, Deadwood)
3. Ellen Ripley (Sigourney Weaver, Aliens)
4. Snake Plissken (Kurt Russell, Escape from New York)
5. Annie Wilkes (Kathy Bates, Misery)
6. Anton Chigurh (Javier Bardem, No Country for Old Men)
7. Popeye Doyle (Gene Hackman, The French Connection)
8. John Coffey (Michael Clarke Duncan, The Green Mile)
9. Marge Gunderson (Frances McDormand, Fargo)
10. Hans Gruber (Alan Rickman, Die Hard)
Yes, I admit I cheated and included characters from a mini-series or two, and I also didn't count no-brainers like James Bond, Indiana Jones, Michael Corleone, Hannibal Lecter, Scarlett O'Hara, Rick Blaine, Norman Bates, Superman, Forrest Gump, Nurse Ratched, Darth Vader, Marty McFly, Ferris Bueller, Harry Callahan, Tony Soprano, Rocky Balboa, etc., etc.
Second question--and the real reason for the title of this post: Who do you think are the most memorable movie characters in a minor or incidental role? In other words, not one of the main characters? (Think Ronny Howard in The Music Man or Joe Pesci in Goodfellas.) I think some of these folks not only steal scenes; the steal the show.
Here, for what it's worth, are my choices:
1. C.W. Moss (Michael J. Pollard, Bonnie and Clyde)
2. Vizzini (Wallace Shawn, The Princess Bride)
3. Private Hudson (Bill Paxton, Aliens)
4. Belle Rosen (Shelley Winters, The Poseidon Adventure)
5. The Wicked Witch (Margaret Hamilton, The Wizard of Oz)
6. Pea Eye Parker (Timothy Scott, Lonesome Dove)
7. Crewman #6 (Sam Rockwell, Galaxy Quest)
8. Pop Fisher (Wilford Brimley, The Natural)
9. Percy Wetmore (Doug Hutchison, The Green Mile)
10. Lyle (Burton Gilliam, Blazing Saddles)
11. Johnny Henshaw (Stephen Stucker, Airplane!)
12. The Stranger (Sam Elliott, The Big Lebowski)
13. Clifford Worley (Dennis Hopper, True Romance)
14. Customer in diner (Estelle Reiner, When Harry Met Sally)
15. The Governor (Charles Durning, The Best Little Whorehouse in Texas)
16. Short Round (Ke Huy Kwan, Indiana Jones and the Temple of Doom)
17. Old-timer in saloon (Pat Buttram, Back to the Future III)
18. Dusty Davis (Philip Seymour Hoffman, Twister)
19. The Black Knight (John Cleese, Monty Python and the Holy Grail)
20. Captain Koons (Christopher Walken, Pulp Fiction)
21. Cabbie (Ernest Borgnine, Escape from New York)
22. Diner waitress (Margaret Bowman, Hell or High Water)
23. Dr. Ray Reddy (M. Night Shyamalan, Signs)
24. Oda Mae Brown (Whoopi Goldberg, Ghost)
25. Beatrice (Siobhan Fallon Hogan, Men in Black)
If you like trivia, and if you're really bored . . . which of the above 25 minor characters said the following?
"All right, Hobbs, knock the cover off the ball."
"How 'bout some more beans, Mr. Taggart?"
"I'll get you, my pretty--and your little dog too."
"It's coming! It's headed right for us!"
"Ooooo, I love to dance a little sidestep . . ."
"Little man, I give the watch to you."
"Dirt in the fuel line--Just blowed it away."
"Docta Jones! Docta Jones! No more parachutes!"
"You been declared competent, son. Know what that means? It means you gonna ride the lightnin'."
"Hey, Snake--You don't wanta be walkin' around down there."
"It's only a scratch."
"Game over, man. Game over!"
"If you don't go out there, everybody everywhere will say, 'Clint Eastwood is the biggest yellow-belly in the West.'"
"Molly? You in danger, girl."
"Yeah, he asked me for some water. Sugar water."
"I been workin' here 44 years. Ain't nobody ever ordered nothin' but T-bone steak and a baked potato."
"My lord. Old Deets is gone. My lord."
"Don't open my pantry, Father. I found one of them in there and I locked him in."
"Oh, it's a big pretty white plane with red stripes."
"I changed my mind. I wanta go back."
"So you're a Sicilian, huh?"
"You see, Mr. Scott? In the water I'm a very skinny woman."
"The Dude abides."
"Incontheivable!"
"I'll have what she's having."
Before we stop this silliness, here are some runners-up:
Jeff Spicoli (Sean Penn, Fast Times at Ridgemont High)
Dot (Frances McDormand, Raising Arizona)
Santanico Pandemonium (Salma Hayek, From Dusk till Dawn)
Mr. Blonde (Michael Madsen, Reservoir Dogs)
Principal Ed Rooney (Jeffrey Jones, Ferris Bueller's Day Off)
Now, once again--What are your choices for most memorable movie characters, major and minor? Do you agree with me on any of the above? Have you created these kinds of unforgettable characters in your own fiction?
In my case . . . well, I wish.
John, love this list. I'm a list person so this just makes me happy.
ReplyDeleteFavorite female leads:
1. Erin Brockovich (Julia Roberts, Erin Brockovich) (my wife went to school with Julia, known as Julie back then).
2. Dorothy Vaughan (Octavia Spencer), Katherine Goble Johnson (Taraji P. Henson) and Janelle MonĂ¡e (Mary Jackson), Hidden Figures.
3. Ree Dolly (Jennifer Lawrence, Winter’s Bone).
4. Susan Cooper (Melissa McCarthy, Spy).
Favorite male leads:
1. Doc Holliday (Val Kilmer, Tombstone).
2. Wyatt Earp (Kurt Russell, Tombstone).
3. Rick Ford (Jason Statham, Spy).
4. Aldo (Peter Serafinowicz, Spy).
Some great quotes from Tombstone:
Wyatt Earp: You gonna do somethin' or just stand there and bleed?
Wyatt Earp: What makes a man like Ringo, Doc? What makes him do the things he does?
Doc Holliday: A man like Ringo has got a great big hole, right in the middle of him. He can never kill enough, or steal enough, or inflict enough pain to ever fill it.
Wyatt Earp: What does he need?
Doc Holliday: Revenge.
Wyatt Earp: For what?
Doc Holliday: Bein' born.
Doc Holliday: Why Johnny Ringo, you look like somebody just walked over your grave.
I quote that movie ad nauseum.
Gentle correction, the quote "It's but a scratch" is supposed to be "Tis but a scratch" which lends itself to the comedic punch of maintaining nobility while becoming a pin cushion.
Good ones, Ed! Not many folks even seem to know about Winter's Bone. And I believe I can say you like Spy and Tombstone . . .
DeleteYou're exactly right, about the Monty Python quote! I tend to use what I think I remember they said instead of what they really said.
It might be time for another post that's just about movie quotes. I love 'em.
Great minor character: Hal Holbrook in either Into the Wild or Lincoln. Take your pick!
ReplyDeleteAgreed! Love Hal Holbrook in anything. Did you know Sean Penn wrote and directed Into the Wild?
DeleteAs for Emile Hirsch, watch The Autopsy of Jane Doe.
Thanks as always, Dale!
Okay, first impression from this great post: I've missed seeing a lot of great movies! Now, gotta run - it's book launch day :)
ReplyDeleteUnderstood. Hope the launch goes well!
DeleteThese immediately come to mind:
ReplyDeleteColonel Nathan Jessup (Jack Nicholson) in A Few Good Men. "You can't handle the truth!"
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Celeste Talbert (Sally Field) in Soapdish. "You can't kiss her!"
Rose Schwartz (Whoopi Goldberg) in Soapdish. "Why can't I write shit like this?"
David Barnes (Robert Downey Jr.) also in Soapdish (a hell of a movie). "Melvin?"
Sawyer (Josh Holloway) in Lost. "Son of a bitch." and "Hey! What's a head doing back here?"
Yes, I know the Lost reference is a cheat because we're doing movies, but I just loved Sawyer on lost, so I will cheat with him anytime I can!
Love these, Barb. Hey, you can quote Lost anytime--I was crazy about that series. I think I might be the only one I know who even liked the final episode!
DeleteNo fair, John! You pulled the rug right out from under me! You're right, I haven't seen most of these movies. Sure, even I know and agree wholeheartedly with "...and your little dog too." I must remind my son that fifty years ago he buried his head in the cushions (we were watching on a friend's brand new BetaMax) and wouldn't come out. Also, "I'll have what she's having." I had a great pastrami sandwich (though maybe not that great) at Katz's Deli, where the scene was filmed. And I agree with you about Frances McDormand in Fargo. Though wasn't it our own Eve Fisher in South Dakota who said here recently that to her, that's just the way people talk? Yes, Eve, but how many Midwestern pregnant police chiefs throw up in the snow while on duty? Okay, my nominees: Does Val Kilmer as Doc Holliday count as a major or minor character? He deserved an Oscar or at least a supporting actor nom. Miranda Richardson as Queen Elizabeth I in Blackadder. Lorraine Bracco as the shrink in The Sopranos. Allison Janney as CJ Cregg in The West Wing. A luminous young Kate Hudson in Almost Famous, in which teenage boys got to write for Rolling Stone and teenage girls got to perform unmentionable services for rock stars. (Yes, I still get mad about it.) The whole phenomenal ensemble cast of Enchanted April, whose careers I've followed ever since: Joan Plowright, Miranda Richardson, Polly Walker, Josie Lawrence, Alfred Molina, Jim Broadbent, and Michael Kitchen. I'm sure more will come to me.
ReplyDeleteLiz, your assignment is to go watch these movies, RIGHT NOW.
DeleteI gotta say, I would watch Frances McDormand (and Lorraine Bracco too) in ANYthing. Have you seen Medicine Man, with Sean Connery and Bracco?
I think Kilmer as Doc was a major character, and I agree that he was memorable. Do you know I haven't seen Enchanted April??? My apologies. But I'm familiar with all the actors you mentioned, except Josie Lawrence. I need to get out more.
I didn't like Bracco much in anything else, and I did see Medicine Man. Josie Lawrence was the only one of that ensemble who didn't make it big, but I saw her last year in an episode of Death in Paradise and another British crime show.
DeleteI liked Bracco in Goodfellas. (Gotta mention those "guy movies," you know.)
DeleteWhat fun. Another great supporting role for Holbrook: Deep Throat in All the President's Men.
ReplyDeleteAlso:
James J. Wells (Wilford Brimley) Absence of Malice
Bing Wong (James Hong) The In-Laws (1979)
Wilmer Cook (Elisha Cook Jr) The Maltese Falcon
Judge Chamberlain Haller (Fred Gwynne) - My Cousin Vinny
Wynn Quantrill (William Daniels) - The President's Analyst
Bernie Bernbaum (John Turturro) - Miller's Crossing
Agreed, agreed, agreed! I'd forgotten The President's Analyst, Rob--I saw that when I was in college. And I think Wilford Brimley was good in everything, and totally believable. He added so much to Remo Williams, Cocoon, Tender Mercies, The Thing, The Firm, The China Syndrome, many many others.
DeleteYES to John Turturro as Bernie. I liked everybody in and everything about Miller's Crossing, though I think you and I are among its only big fans.
My all-time favorite supporting character is Creb from The Clan of the Cave Bear. Yes, he was a medicine man, but in his spare time he invented math and chemistry.
ReplyDeleteHa! Good one, Anonymous! I agree.
DeleteClaude Rains in Casablanca.
ReplyDeleteLee Marvin (and his horse) in Cat Balou
Speaking of animals, Asta in the Thin Man series!
Judith Anderson in Rebecca
Jane Darwell in Grapes of Wrath
Jack Nicholson in Easy Rider
John Huston in Chinatown
Robert Deniro in Mean Streets
Cloris Leachman in The Last Picture Show
Fun post! Could go on forever, but I have promises to keep ad miles to go ...!
Some of my favorite movies!! Glad you mentioned Asta, and also Lee Marvin's intoxicated horse.
DeleteYep, we could both go on forever, on this stuff. Go keep your promises.
I've got a few Stephen King characters -- Gordie Lachance from Stand By Me, Andy Dufense from The Shawshank Redemption, and I believe Billy Halleck from Thinner could've been more memorable had he been given more of a redemption story.
ReplyDeleteJustin, I especially remember the villainous Kiefer Sutherland in Stand by Me, and Red Redding in Shawshank. Two great movies! I think my most memorable King movie character remains Annie Wilkes.
DeleteNot that it matters, but I think two great King novel characters, Roland Deschain and The Man in Black (Walter), were the worst possible movie characters in the terrible film adaptation (The Dark Tower). As much as like Idris Elba and Matthew McConaughey, those actors were NOT right for that story.
Thanks as always for the thoughts!
John, none of these were the stars of the films, but not necessarily minor, still, I found them highly memorable in their performances.
ReplyDeleteCharles Martin Smith (Toad) -- American Graffiti
William Tracy (Pepi) -- The Shop Around the Corner
Humphrey Bogart -- The Roaring Twenties & The Petrified Forrest
John Goodman -- Big Lebowski & Barton Fink
Steve Buscemi (Mr. Pink) -- Reservoir Dogs
Michael Rooker -- Sea of Love
Gene Wilder -- Bonnie & Clyde
Gene Hackman -- Young Frankenstein
Sterling Hayden -- The Godfather & Dr. Strangelove
Ray Liotta -- Something Wild
Robert DeNiro --Jacie Brown & Angel Heart & Brazil
I need to add 2 great Peter Boyle appearance: The Friends of Eddie Coyle + Taxi Driver
DeleteDave, highly memorable is right. I wish several of yours had been in my list.
DeleteI suspect Charles Martin Smith's appearance in Graffiti was the first time most folks had seen him--it's the first time *I* had seen him. And I love it when former BIG stars like Sterling Hayden show up in small roles in films like The Godfather (my forever view of him now is gurgling after being shot in the throat at the restaurant). As for Steve Buscemi, he could easily be listed alongside John Goodman in Lebowski--both those guys were great. And, I rewatched Something Wild again the other night--you are so right about Liotta. I could go on and on and on . . .
Thanks for these.
Val Kilmer (Doc Holliday) - Tombstone
ReplyDeleteRalph Fiennes (Amon Goth) - Schindler's List
Ralph Fiennes (Heathcliffe) - Wuthering Heights
Bette Davis (Margo Channing) - All About Eve
Stephane Audran (Babbette) - Babette's Feast
River Phoenix (Chris Chambers) - Stand By Me
Robert Duvall (Sonny Dewey) - The Apostle
Kathy Bates (Annie Wilkes) - Misery
Tony Servillo (Jep Gambardella) - The Great Beauty
Co or Side Actors:
Marcello Mastrioanni (Casanova) - La Nuit de Varennes
John Gielgud (Haverford Downs) - Summer's Lease
James Earl Jones (Terrance Mann) - Field of Dreams
Burt Lancaster (Doc "Moonlight" Graham) - Field of Dreams
Eve Arden - in just about every role she ever played, but especially in Mildred Pierce
Anne Baxter (Sophie Macdonald) - The Razor's Edge
Al Pacino (Tony Roma) - Glengarry Glen Ross
Jack Lemmon (Jerry/Daphne) - Some Like it Hot
Joe E. Brown (Osgood Fielding III) - Some Like it Hot
Great ones, Eve. My faves of the ones you listed: Kilmer, Phoenix, Duvall, Bates, James Earl Jones, Lancaster, Pacino, Lemmon. And love those movies!! As for show stealers, about about Alec Baldwin's speech in Glengarry?? This is fun stuff.
DeleteAlec Baldwin definitely stole that whole scene.
DeleteSubmitted for your approval, and in no particular order:
ReplyDeleteWells - Sean Pertwee - Dog Soldiers
Sallah - John Rhys-Davies - Indiana Jones and the Raiders of the Lost Ark
Father Dyer - Ed Flanders - Exorcist III
Garry - Donald Moffat - The Thing
Dudley Smith - James Cromwell - L.A. Confidential
Ben Kenobi - Alec Guinness - Star Wars
David Bowman - Keir Dullea - 2010
Serge - Bronson Pinchot - Beverly Hills Cop
Approved!!!! I liked EVERYbody in The Thing, I too thought James Cromwell was fantastic in L.A. Confidential, and I actually put Pinchot's Beverly Hills Cop performance in my first list and took him out because the list was getting SO long.
ReplyDeleteThanks, Dan!
One more: Mickey O'Neill (Brad Pitt) in Snatched.
ReplyDeleteHard to stop, with this, isn't it?
DeleteHow could I have forgotten to mention Olympia Dukakis and Shirley MacLaine, who both gave great performances in Steel Magnolias, and Martin Short who stole the show in the remake of Father of the Bride and Father of the Bride II.
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