I ran across this clip of an interview with Peter Thiel, multimillionaire financier of JD Vance, Speaker of the House Mike Johnson, and creator of Paypal:
Apparently, the billionaire tech bros aren't sure that humans (other than themselves) should survive. Probably totally utilitarian. We're simply not needed, once AI and robots take over all the jobs, and create / grow all the things they need, from yachts to tomatoes.
BTW, According to the New York Times and The Guardian, Trump reportedly said in a campaign meeting that if it were up to Stephen Miller, there would only be 100 million people living in the United States, and they would all resemble Miller. This would mean that 200 million people in this country will have to be either forcibly migrated or killed to satisfy his vision. Last I heard, that's called genocide. But then, the KKK, Proud Boys, White Christian Nationalists etc., want the United States to be freed of anyone of color, Jews, and anybody who has commingled with them.
Now I have, sadly, read The Turner Diaries, and I know that its fans really are all salivating over mass murder / genocide that will take them back to a white paradise where everyone has 40 acres and a thousands guns to protect it. One of them, after the Oklahoma City bombing, came rushing into the courthouse to crow that war had been declared and there were no innocent victims.
"Tell me Lord, if you please, by what right or title does a peasant eat beef? And goose, of which they have plenty? And this troubles God. God suffers from it and I too. For they are a sorry lot, these peasants who eat fat goose! Should they eat fish? Rather let them eat thistles and briars, thorns and stray and hay on Sunday and pea-pods on weekdays. They should keep watch without sleep and have trouble always; that is how peasants should live... It is they who spoil the common welfare."
It's important to remember that throughout the Middle Ages, Renaissance, and well into the 19th century, it was the peasants who did all the hard work and paid all the taxes, not the royalty, nobility or the church. Their rights were limited, they had no say (much less something like a vote) in their government, and their property was always at hazard of being seized. And I mean seized, as in the clearing of the Highlands in Scotland (1750-1860) and the Enclosure Acts in England (between 1604-1904 there were 5,200 Acts passed) which drove peasants / crofters off their land and replaced them with profitable sheep...
And then there were the peasant revolts during the Calamitous Fourteenth Century - a time when one-third of Europe died from the Black Death - as the peasants tried to get more rights and more money for their hard labor. The reprisals for the Jacquerie in France, and the Wat Tyler Rebellion in England were savage. Historians cite the slaughter of about 20,000 peasants for each revolt. Keep those peasants humble and eating black bread and beans. Or grass.
And, about 100 years later, during the Reformation, Martin Luther was stunned and appalled by the German Peasants' Revolt of 1525, when the peasants took Martin Luther at his word ("there is neither slave nor free," etc.) and rose up against their overlords, in search of actually being paid by the nobility / church for all their hard labor, instead of being taxed into oblivion. Instead of being on their side, Luther condemned them as un-Christian and urged the princes to crush the revolt without mercy, saying that "there's nothing more poisonous than a rebel -- killing one is like killing a mad dog." The nobles took him at his word. As many as 100,000 peasants were killed before it was all over.
"Should peasants eat meat? Rather should they chew grass on the heath with the horned cattle and go naked on all fours."(Spielvogel's Western Civ. I text, p. 195.) They pretty much did during the Great Famine in Ireland (1845-1849), when the potato blight killed off the main source of food for Ireland.
NOTE: The reason the Irish were living almost exclusively on potatoes was because the English overlords who'd claimed all the land took all the other crops - grain, meat, etc. - for taxes. One of the great scandals of the Great Famine is that Charles Trevelyan, who was in charge of the administration of government relief, limited the Government's food aid programme, claiming that food would be readily imported into Ireland once people had more money to spend after earning wages on new public-works projects (which may or may not have existed). In a private correspondence, he explained how the famine could bring benefit to the English; As he wrote to Edward Twisleton:
"We must not complain of what we really want to obtain. If small farmers go, and their landlords are reduced to sell portions of their estates to persons who will invest capital we shall at last arrive at something like a satisfactory settlement of the country". (Wikipedia)
Meanwhile British landlords continued, throughout the Famine, to export grain at a profit from Ireland while a million people died of famine and another million or two emigrated to escape. The emigrants received the usual warm welcome:
And now it's back (as if it ever died). How else to interpret our current society where billionaire Elon Musk, for example, pays no taxes, while my husband and I pay taxes even on our hard-earned Social Security? Where Congress has Cadillac health insurance and pensions, while saying the US can't afford the universal health care that every other industrialized nation has? Where the BBBill "requires the leasing of at least 50% of public lands that private companies desire to lease for drilling, mining or logging"? Where the estate, gift, and generation-skipping and transfer tax exemption will increase from $13.99 million in 2025 to $15 million in 2026? (LINK) If we're so damn useless, why do they need our money, our public lands, our health care?
| Curtis Yarvin photo by David Merfield |
NOTE: Curtis Yarvin, influential philosopher among the tech bros, is all about the "Dark Enlightenment", a society in which democracy is abolished and city states are back, run by corporations, with absolute rulers subject only to the corporate board. And you will take what wages that Corporate State is willing to give you and like it, or you will be cast into outer darkness.
But, on a good note, Mr. Yarvin is spooked. Just last week he wrote:
The second Trump revolution, like the first, is failing. It is failing because it deserves to fail. It is failing because it spends all its time patting itself on the back. It is failing because its true mission, which neither it nor (still less) its supporters understand, is still as far beyond its reach as algebra is beyond a cat. Because the vengeance meted out after its failure will dwarf the vengeance after 2020—because the successes of the second revolution are so much greater than the first—I feel that I personally have to start thinking realistically about how to flee the country. Everyone else in a similar position should have a 2029 plan as well. And it is not even clear that it will wait until 2029: losing the Congress will instantly put the administration on the defensive." (LINK)
Please, Curtis, don't let the door hit you in the ass on the way out.
NOTE: Peter Thiel gave private lectures on Christianity that connected government oversight of Silicon Valley to an apocalyptic future, according to recordings reviewed by The Washington Post. He argued that those who propose limits on technology development not only hinder business but threaten to usher in the destruction of the United States and an era of global totalitarian rule, according to the recordings. And he said that “In the 21st century, the Antichrist is a Luddite who wants to stop all science. It’s someone like Greta [Thurnberg] or Eliezer [Yudkowsky, a prominent critic of the tech industry’s approach to AI].
Thiel, whose net worth is around $27 billion, also used his private talks to criticize financial regulations. He said such rules were a sign that a singular world government has begun to emerge that could be taken over by an Antichrist figure who could then use it to exert control over people. “It’s become quite difficult to hide one’s money,” Thiel said, according to the recordings. “An incredible machinery of tax treaties, financial surveillance, and sanctions architecture has been constructed... Wealth gives the “illusion of power and autonomy,” Thiel added, “but you have this sense it could be taken away at any moment.” (LINK)
MY NOTE: Memento Mori Peter, and the world's smallest violin playing for you.
The fact that what wealth "We, the People" (hi! remember us?) have can be taken away at any moment is irrelevant, of course. They are the Renaissance Princes, we are the peasants, but with AI, robots, etc., they can get rid of most of us and have AI and robots do all the work. New Enclosure Acts, new Clearances, and AI will do all the programming, robots will build and repair all the worker robots, and all things will go tickety-boo like superior clockwork. Whoever thought that billionaires would be the ultimate optimists? Once you get over the idea that icky humans have got to be killed, I mean, culled.
I seriously wonder if despite the hype, AI will turn out to be a bubble or at least provoke a bubble economy. At some point, the huge amounts of water and power needed are going to seem like an awful big bill for replacing the more modest needs of the rest of us as workers.
ReplyDeleteJanice, I think it is a HUGE bubble, much like crypto - but it's a bubble with a purpose - to transfer tremendous amounts of wealth and land to the top, and leave us all scrambling. In 2023, data centers consumed 4.4% of total U.S. electricity demand.
DeleteThe Department of Energy projects that data center electricity use will rise to between 6.7% and 12% of total U.S. electricity by 2028. Meanwhile, every time the data centers get tax breaks, and the PUCs approve electricity rates to cover them... We're going to get seriously screwed by this before it's done.
I think I need a drink! And I don't mean coffee. This post reminds me so much of Asimov's Foundation series - where corporations are the kings and rule like - as you say- 14th century despots. I hope the Northern countries (Canada, Norway, Sweden, Denmark, Finland) can resist much of this, and still care about community, as they do now.
ReplyDeleteMelodie, I too read the Foundation Trilogy... And I've read a lot about Medieval and Renaissance princes... I think the Northern Countries have managed to inoculate themselves to much of the crap that has happened down here: for one thing, they actually appreciate what they have. Here in the US, discontent is easily stirred, because we are, and have always been, a very adolescent society, where emotions run high, everything revolves around the pleasure centers, and nothing is ever enough. We also have way too many guns, and no controls... Adolescence.
ReplyDeleteI think "AI" is just a fad, the way Bitcoin was a big deal a couple of years ago & now ... ? Before that, self-checkouts were a big thing & now our local Walmart, which used to have 20 or 30 of them, has only 4 left. Of course, if there were no humans left, Walmart wouldn't need to have a store at all.
ReplyDeleteThat's the trouble with the techbros: they live so far down their techbro universe (which is completely adrift from reality) that they don't think anything that doesn't happen online matters. Oh, how wrong they are...
DeleteEve, we’ve been reading some of the same articles.
ReplyDeleteFun Facts (allegedly)
Peter Thiel came to my attention years ago, not because he was outed, but because he unleashed his fury against the outers. ‘Weaponizing’ has become a favored term, but after losing the civil case (Damn, that pesky 1st Amendment) Thiel literally weaponized the courts against his perceived nemesis. He fund every plaintiff v Gawker Media he could, eventually stumbling upon Hulk Hogan. See, the rassler was banging his good friend’s wife (allegedly but hey, there are sex tapes and Hogan admitted as much to Howard Stern) but Hogan didn’t like the adverse publicity and it made his rasslin profession look bad like almost fake, and anyway it was all her fault because Heather Clem was relentless and no rasslin man could stand up to relentless charms. Allegedly.
What some not know is Thiel (pronounced ‘teal’) secretly funded Hogan (and others) and legal fees in a war against journalists. Allegedly. Apparently Thiel never heard of the Striesand Effect, and the Florida judge and jury never heard of the 1st Amendment. Allegedly. The result: millions… $140-some millions, which bankrupted the company. Allegedly.
I’m only speculating that Thiel was offended because of possible conflict between his sexuality and his religious views, a topic I normally agree should be kept private and I wouldn’t want to know. But adulterers… That’s different.
Thiel subsequently demonstrated his disdain for the Constitution in the Bank of America v WikiLeaks debacle, in which Anonymous mopped the floor with HBGary and Planatir and others… Planatir being Thiel’s little company, the same one that recently won a tasty contract with this administration’s federal government. Allegedly.
Several times I've heard opinionators and self-described experts claim the planet's population is dwindling. They are wrong.
ReplyDeleteInstead, the population explosion is slowing. Population is increasing, but at a slower rate. At present, births outnumber deaths 2:1. Zero growth is expected about half a century from now.
After that, some social scientists hypothesize population will stabilize, while others foresee a global decline.
Curiously some tech billionaires have commented in strange ways. Elon Musk repeated the claim in the first paragraphs. He may have been like some of us and carelessly repeated error.
Even odder has been Peter Thiel's take. He advocates for an Earthly population of ONE TRILLION. Compare the numbers and cringe– or pray.
8 200 000 000 current population
1 000 000 000 000 Thiel dream pop
(If you believe any of this is in error, please correct me.)
Leigh, I knew about Thiel doing everything he could to drive his outers into outer darkness. And about Palantir, which is extremely frightening. And I still hold that Thiel picked JD Vance as his protoge for non-political reasons, and that Vance's marriage to Usha is a marriage of convenience. Possibly, Thiel to Vance: "If you're gonna go into politics you've got to get married and have a couple of kids. Don't worry, you don't have to do anything... we've got IVF and I'll pay for it."
DeleteRe population - Thiel and all his fellow techbros actually have no idea how the planet works, how any government works, hell, not even how a supermarket actually gets the groceries and puts them out there. They simply assume that their particular pipe dream will come true. Thiel's idea of one trillion is non-sustainable on any and every level, unless he's just counting embryos as people. As it is, estimates by actual scientists say that the maximum the earth can support is 8-12 billion, and we'd better start cutting back our consumption. Not that it matters to Thiel. He and Musk et al have money, and figure they can always buy more.