tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3119105822589181967.post8355203883534006409..comments2024-03-28T15:01:21.285-04:00Comments on SleuthSayers: A I on Short StoryLeigh Lundinhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07921276795499571578noreply@blogger.comBlogger13125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3119105822589181967.post-7641683455934247332023-03-26T18:10:04.955-04:002023-03-26T18:10:04.955-04:00Change can be scary, but it's hard to tell if ...Change can be scary, but it's hard to tell if this wonderful or woeful.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3119105822589181967.post-39475097689928443702023-03-26T15:46:06.693-04:002023-03-26T15:46:06.693-04:00They say the mind is the first thing to go ... I f...They say the mind is the first thing to go ... I forgot one important detail. The manuscript of <i>Atlanta Nights</i> was accepted by Publish America, which claimed to be a "traditional" publisher with "standards." The authors were a group of science fiction writers plus the Bonsai Story Generator software, who deliberately put together the worst book possible. When Publish America discovered this they canceled the contract & the book was published by Lulu instead. I have a copy somewhere!<br /><br />https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atlanta_NightsElizabeth Dearbornnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3119105822589181967.post-17878977490847055902023-03-26T12:46:45.919-04:002023-03-26T12:46:45.919-04:00RT, I’ve been looking in on ‘Indy’ direct-to-Kindl...RT, I’ve been looking in on ‘Indy’ direct-to-Kindle writers. Some have been experimenting with AI and are giddy with delight. Suddenly they have in hand a tool that can, they believe, launch them in the big leagues without having to pay the dues. Why sweat for a year writing a novel when you can let the computer crank one out in minutes.<br /><br />By the way, the effect of sounding too much like underlying authors is easily dealt with. Simply direct the AI to write “in the style of” George Sand, Alfred Lord Tennyson, or even Sports Illustrated.Leigh Lundinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07921276795499571578noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3119105822589181967.post-80292617762873248322023-03-26T12:44:14.855-04:002023-03-26T12:44:14.855-04:00I didn't recall the title, but I think I know ...I didn't recall the title, but I think I know where you're going. Want to tell us about it?Leigh Lundinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07921276795499571578noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3119105822589181967.post-50341539927940084252023-03-26T12:42:48.485-04:002023-03-26T12:42:48.485-04:00My consulting company’s landlord, so to speak, was...My consulting company’s landlord, so to speak, was Automation Intelligence, Inc. at 1200 West Colonial, Orlando, a spinoff of Westinghouse Robotics. Thirty years ago, AII was teaching machines such prosaic tasks as sorting tool heads too fine for the human eye, grading plywood, checking welds, and counting sheets of glass on pallets. Those baby steps have led us to today, but we haven’t quite reached the Model T stage.<br /><br />RT, your son is right. In one of my college papers I submitted a proposition that as we refined intelligence simulations, the day would come we could no longer tell the difference between man and machine. We are very very close to that point now and research is ever accelerating.Leigh Lundinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07921276795499571578noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3119105822589181967.post-4717220219579302602023-03-26T12:38:03.083-04:002023-03-26T12:38:03.083-04:00Do any of y'all remember a book that was publi...Do any of y'all remember a book that was published by Publish America in the early 2000s, "Atlanta Nights" by the author "Travis Tea" (travesty)?Elizabeth Dearbornnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3119105822589181967.post-5624456268322590982023-03-26T11:52:08.980-04:002023-03-26T11:52:08.980-04:00Years ago, I had an English class of "low lev...Years ago, I had an English class of "low level" kids, which often means they're unmotivate rather than incapable. For writing assignments, many of them would turn in pirated rap lyrics they tried to pass off as their own. I would Google the first line or an interesting turn of phrase and almost always find the real source quickly. They were always amazed that the Old White Guy knew so much about Hip Hop and Rap. ;-)<br /><br />Just goes to show that nothing's new except the tools...<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3119105822589181967.post-10430676418149458492023-03-26T11:41:34.635-04:002023-03-26T11:41:34.635-04:00I have written a piece for SleuthSayers, which wil...I have written a piece for SleuthSayers, which will probably appear in May, discussing my attempt to see if an AI could figure out the same plot twist I used. Stay tuned.Robert Loprestihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08844889305615182897noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3119105822589181967.post-4081720239125529212023-03-26T11:14:38.333-04:002023-03-26T11:14:38.333-04:00A school librarian and former English teacher show...A school librarian and former English teacher showed me what it looks like when AI tries to write a short story this week. All the characters lacked depth, but the description was reasonably well done. And it doesn't know the rules for particular genres at all (right now). She also showed me how she might use AI. She asked the AI to write an email to a parent defending the presence of a particular book (she gave it a title and author name of a challenged book) in the library collection. It spat out a well-written multi-paragraph email in about a minute. Given how many of those emails she writes these days, it could be a definite time saver for her. Since she knows the books, she can edit if she needs to correct anything.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3119105822589181967.post-60914857202142357872023-03-26T11:03:11.768-04:002023-03-26T11:03:11.768-04:00Eventually, I think it would all be similar.Eventually, I think it would all be similar.R.T. Lawtonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15523486296396710227noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3119105822589181967.post-42851234028202091622023-03-26T11:01:42.143-04:002023-03-26T11:01:42.143-04:00Steve, allegedly, the teachers also have software ...Steve, allegedly, the teachers also have software which allows them to tell when a student is submitting work generated by A I. Otherwise, kids would be taking all kinds of shortcuts.<br /><br />Also, my programming son tells me that people are playing around with A I software to see if it can program itself to be independent. Scary thought.R.T. Lawtonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15523486296396710227noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3119105822589181967.post-55514918912224390652023-03-26T10:42:38.099-04:002023-03-26T10:42:38.099-04:00I'm with you, Steve. I don't want to read ...I'm with you, Steve. I don't want to read AI fiction. Eve Fisherhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03015761600962360110noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3119105822589181967.post-70036666300336341272023-03-26T10:22:40.872-04:002023-03-26T10:22:40.872-04:00AI is like the misused magic in the Sorcerer's...AI is like the misused magic in the Sorcerer's Apprentice. I read an article recently (sorry, I don't remember the source) pointing out that because the AI software uses algorithms, all the writing it produces on a particular subject will tend to parrot the same sources/writers/previous works over and over and become more and more similar. <br /><br />Again, I don't remember the source, but apparently someone has already experimented and found that precise result. Long passages of a previous work were copied verbatim.<br />I expected that to happen and predicted it to people in a workshop several months ago. <br /><br />A different issue with AI, which I also predicted, has come to pass, too. Because the material is copied, intellectual property attorneys are already filing suits for plagiarism. Wannabe writers who use AI to "produce" work quickly are going to lead to a feeding frenzy in the courtrooms at the same time that they help lower the quality of pseudo-new material.<br /><br />If you haven't figured it out already, I am passionately opposed to AI and anyone associated with it. And the software product above sounds eerily similar to the tenth grade textbook my classes used in the early 1970s. Steve Liskowhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07107703903536520140noreply@blogger.com