tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3119105822589181967.post2580669022199233122..comments2024-03-28T15:01:21.285-04:00Comments on SleuthSayers: MisadventuresLeigh Lundinhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07921276795499571578noreply@blogger.comBlogger11125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3119105822589181967.post-45975135196404992192018-03-05T23:47:09.157-05:002018-03-05T23:47:09.157-05:00Congratulations, Josh, Mike, and Dale. Well done!
...Congratulations, Josh, Mike, and Dale. Well done!<br /><br />Dale, I won't be at Malice, but I DO want a signed copy! I also look forward to that other sneaky story that's percolated so long, assuming I didn't misread the signals.<br /><br />Nice to see you on SleuthSayers yet again!<br /><br />Leigh Lundinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07921276795499571578noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3119105822589181967.post-52508142827989137712018-03-05T15:15:57.870-05:002018-03-05T15:15:57.870-05:00Congratulations on the new book! Woo-hoo!Congratulations on the new book! Woo-hoo!Barb Goffmanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16013123434790272424noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3119105822589181967.post-85918217347924183362018-03-05T11:46:36.570-05:002018-03-05T11:46:36.570-05:00Congratulations, Dale, to both you and Josh! This...Congratulations, Dale, to both you and Josh! This looks like a terrific anthology. And this was a great column also. I don't know Mike Nevins well, but was seated beside him at the Edgar banquet a couple years ago and heard a LOT from him about Ellery Queen--Mike's an interesting guy.<br /><br />Looking forward to reading these misadventures!<br />John Floydhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04001712728130488485noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3119105822589181967.post-70873498237295514692018-03-05T10:50:41.275-05:002018-03-05T10:50:41.275-05:00Congratulations! Sounds like a great collection.Congratulations! Sounds like a great collection.Eve Fisherhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03015761600962360110noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3119105822589181967.post-22792003283222768562018-03-05T10:29:06.061-05:002018-03-05T10:29:06.061-05:00Rob --
There are many definitions of "pastic...Rob --<br /><br />There are many definitions of "pastiche," but we -- for obvious reasons! -- followed Frederic Dannay's, which (as quoted at the top of the article) is quite strict. <br /><br />In Dannay's view a "pastiche" is a term limited to a strict attempt to write a new story in the exact manner of another author. Thus, as Dannay explains in the introduction to The Misadventures of Sherlock Holmes, there is in his view a distinction between a pastiche and a parody, which plays for fun. Usually other stories that are not strictly pastiches are treated (under a strict definition) as homages. Or, as James Lincoln Warren (I think!) calls them 'tributes." The definitions are sort of overlapping in many cases -- for that reason the stories in The Misadventures of Ellery Queen (as presented by Josh and me) are divided into three sections -- Pastiches, Parodies and Potpourri. We argued long and hard about what to call the stories in that third section -- stories like Joe Goodrich's Ten-Cent Murder in which the detective is, in fact, Frederic Dannay. Eventually we threw up our hands and decided to use the catch-all phrase "potpourri." <br /><br />Obviously others do not always follow the Dannay approach -- and quite often parodies are included in the term pastiche as used by others. And grouping stories can be difficult -- viz., is "The Glass Village," which takes place in a town near by to Wrightsville, an Ellery Queen story even though Ellery does not appear in it?<br />So even in fiction by the author the lines blur. And even more so when the stories are created by others. So there is probably no strictly right or wrong definition. We just followed Dannay's! I suspect that Dannay would have classified the examples you give as homages, or (using James' phrase) perhaps tributes.Dale Andrewshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10553503281187956955noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3119105822589181967.post-91320850907094784402018-03-05T10:13:07.946-05:002018-03-05T10:13:07.946-05:00Congratulations, Dale (and Josh). I look forward ...Congratulations, Dale (and Josh). I look forward to it. One question, though. For decades I have thought "pastiche" meant not the act of writing a new story in an author's series, but instead using the author's universe to create something different. See my essay on this: http://criminalbrief.com/?p=8047 Examples would be James Lincoln Warren's "Shikari" which is a Sherlock Holmes story without Sherlock Holmes (focusing on Watson's relationship with Mycroft), or Evan Lewis's "Continental Opposite" which features an older version of Hammett's Continental Op as a supporting character, or my own "Street of the Dead House," which rewrites Poe's "Murders in the Rue Morgue" from the killer's viewpoint. If we don't call such stories pastiches, what do we call them? Robert Loprestihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08844889305615182897noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3119105822589181967.post-21363463220545636192018-03-05T09:27:46.796-05:002018-03-05T09:27:46.796-05:00Congratulations on the anthology! Looking forward ...Congratulations on the anthology! Looking forward to it!Art Taylorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02409008167752619352noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3119105822589181967.post-48303959530679012322018-03-05T09:12:32.825-05:002018-03-05T09:12:32.825-05:00Sounds like a fun collection, Dale!Sounds like a fun collection, Dale!Paul D. Markshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15466234708772287399noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3119105822589181967.post-70340534622921989252018-03-05T08:47:22.740-05:002018-03-05T08:47:22.740-05:00Sounds like great fun, Dale. And welcome to the cl...Sounds like great fun, Dale. And welcome to the club, too.<br /><br />Steve Liskowhttp://www.steveliskow.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3119105822589181967.post-71659445433285685522018-03-05T08:04:08.171-05:002018-03-05T08:04:08.171-05:00Congratulations and best of luck with the collecti...Congratulations and best of luck with the collection!<br />janice lawnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3119105822589181967.post-27362754027328700472018-03-05T06:22:13.568-05:002018-03-05T06:22:13.568-05:00Sounds like a terrific collection, Dale. I'ma ...Sounds like a terrific collection, Dale. I'ma have to get me a copy!joshpachttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12123432071405643210noreply@blogger.com